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Elliott Rodger and the Santa Barbara Killings

Elliott Rodger and the Santa Barbara Killings

By Dennis Loo (5/25/14)

New material added 1:15 pm PST

In today’s NYT in their story on the Isla Vista, Santa Barbara killings on May 23, 2014 by 22-year-old Santa Barbara City College student Elliot Rodger, one will find two quotes that I want to highlight and discuss. The first is from a police spokesman explaining why they did not do more than interview Rodger on April 30th in his dorm room after his mother contacted police alarmed at her son’s YouTube threats to commit mass murder:

“You’ve got to understand that this is a fairly routine kind of call that is quite commonplace,” he said. “The deputies are well trained and are adept at handling these kind of calls.”

A call from an alarmed mother that her son is making public threats to kill people is “fairly routine” and “quite commonplace”? No doubt the spokesman meant that the police’s visit to Rodger was routine and commonplace since they can’t be routinely getting calls from parents saying that their child is openly threatening mass killings. Obviously contrary to the spokesman’s statement, the deputies are not “well trained and … adept at handling these kind of calls” if they determined that someone who was soon to go on a killing spree was not a problem.

The police are not trained to properly handle a situation such as this. But they should be trained to recognize that their training is insufficient to deal with such a situation. They reported not doing anything further because Rodger was calm and polite. Certainly mass murderers are incapable of being calm and polite in front of police officers. Of course mass murderers will invariably demonstrate overt signs of agitation and therefore tip their hands to authorities. As if posting YouTube videos online stating that you’re going to kill people was not enough to single you out!

Then there is this from a former classmate of Rodger:

Patrick Connors, 23, a former classmate at Crespi Carmelite High School, a Catholic school for boys in Los Angeles, said Mr. Rodger had left school before graduation. He said that Mr. Rodger was treated by his classmates as an oddball and that students mocked him and played jokes on him; once when Mr. Rodger fell asleep in his seat, classmates taped his head to his desk, he said.

“We said right from the get-go that that kid was going to lose it someday and just freak out,” he said. “Everyone made fun of him and stuff.”

I find it interesting that Connors can say without any feelings of compunction after hearing that his ex-classmate has just killed several people that “We said right from the get-go that kid was going to lose it someday and just freak out. Everyone made fun of him and stuff.” Did Connors attempt to prevent such a future tragedy that he said they all recognized was going to happen by befriending Rodger and trying to get students who were making fun of him to stop? Apparently Rodger had some mental issues but bullying someone who is socially awkward is throwing gasoline onto a smoldering fire. I would think that Connors and others who bullied or stood by and watched others bully him would feel some sense of personal responsibility for this tragedy instead of taking pride in seeing it coming.

Someone in the comments thread at the online NYT named “dcl” posted this today:

People who are mentally ill, such as this young man, are the canary in the coal mine--they act on things that are *already* in their own society or culture. A mentally ill Christian person imagines the voice of Satan or God or Jesus but not of Buddha or Aphrodite.

This young man - in his rant - spelled out *exactly* why guns are popular. He said he would be the *alpha male.* He said he was sexually frustrated. He said he would punish women.

So he used a phallic symbol to ejaculate, penetrate and destroy. He even *said* that this phallic symbol would 'show' the women he was alpha, he was no longer a virgin.

And that in a nutshell is what guns are used for in our entire country. It is a huge fallacy to look at this young man as The Other and to say the issue is *himself* and others like him. No. No, look at him, look at him closely, for he is the face of America.

Our nation is filled with white men who feel powerless and spurned and marginalized - by women taking over jobs, by our country becoming less white and Christian, by America losing power, by middle class jobs being destroyed. So they resort to their phallic symbols. At least *these* ones are the biggest. They thump their chests and shout out they are the ALPHAS! We are number one!

It is *that* childish. It is that lethal and appalling.

DCL is right. People like Rodger are the canaries in the coal mine. They act out what is already present in the society and what society’s authorities encourage. Compare Rodger’s assertions that he would show who was the “alpha male” to President Obama’s “joke” at the May 1, 2010 White House Correspondents Dinner:

"The Jonas Brothers are here. (Applause.) They're out there somewhere. Sasha and Malia are huge fans. But, boys, don't get any ideas. (Laughter.) I have two words for you -- predator drones. (Laughter.) You will never see it coming. (Laughter.) You think I'm joking. (Laughter.)"


As I wrote on December 31, 2012 in “Red Herrings and Deadly Consequences: Mass Domestic Murders and Mental Illness:”

As anyone who’s been paying any attention to the fallout from the recent upsurge in mass - and not so mass - killings, media and public figures have been highlighting and popularizing an alleged link of mental illness to these incidents. In today’s New York Times, for example, in the lead story about Erika Menendez, the woman arrested for pushing an Indian Hindu, Sunando Sen, to his death in front of a New York Subway train a few days ago, one has to read nearly to the end of the article before you see any mention of the fact that Menendez’s stated reason for her actions were that ever since 9/11 she’s despised Muslims and Hindus. The whole thrust of the Times story is by contrast how Ms. Menendez has a history of mental problems. Similarly, in the Newtown killings, Adam Lanza’s mental issues have been put front and center of media attention and in comments and discussions about the tragedy.

This whole line of discussion alleging that we need to clamp down on the mentally ill, however, is a deadly red herring. What should be the focus of the latest subway murder is the impact of the “war on terror” and the stoking of hatred and stereotyping of Muslims and those who the ignorant confuse with Muslims, such as Hindus and Sikhs, by the major authority figures in our society. It goes beyond stoking hatred, even, to the actual killings on a mass scale by our government in wars abroad, including assassinations ordered in secret session by President Obama.

People like Ms. Menendez are more unhinged than the rest of us, but are more likely because of this to act out on the stance that is being promoted society-wide by our society’s leaders and taking that stance to its logical end. That, and not mental illness, is the root cause. People like Menendez, Lanza, the Aurora Massacre killer James Holmes, and Afghan mass killer Sgt. Robert Bales can be roughly compared to the canaries they used to use in mines who were most sensitive to the odorless fumes that would kill you before you noticed. What is amiss in our society isn't mainly that there are too many guns that are too readily available (it's a secondary factor). And it isn't that there are mentally ill people or even that there are socially impaired people around who have too ready access to weapons. The problem is principally and overwhelmingly because sociopathy has become the official norm of our foreign and domestic policies. 

Instead of attacking this problem at its root, however, elites’ prevailing response has been to carry forward the ugly logic of the “war on terror” and compound the problem by stereotyping and repressing yet another relatively defenseless group of victims, the mentally ill, to join the ranks of Muslims, South Asians, Middle-Easterners, and so on. This is yet more evidence that this system and its leaders are utterly incapable of stopping this atrocious trend because they are in fact behind this trend and pushing it forward. 

These killings are going to continue unless and until an upsurge from below, supported and joined by voices from among the intelligentsia and other opinion-makers, rises up strongly enough to challenge the whole trajectory of events and the system that is giving rise to this. 

See also this.

Free market fundamentalist policies (aka neoliberalism) that say the market should decide everything, that the rich getting richer and the poor getting poorer is the necessary spur for hard work and innovation, and that the poor can just eat “toxic waste,” are shredding the social fabric worldwide. If those in the leading positions of society are constantly propagating the notion that there is no such thing as social bonds and social obligations and there are only individuals, that the environment can be treated as a dumping ground and that it can be plundered with no regard for the consequences, and that innocents can be killed as “collateral damage” to protect “American lives,” then should it be the least bit surprising that isolated individuals are acting out this very same ethic? When our government claims that assassination, torture, and preventive and indefinite detention are necessary, legal, and moral, then why shouldn’t individual sociopaths and more unhinged individuals act this out themselves on a smaller scale?

In response to the Santa Barbara shootings Friday night, UC president Janet Napolitano, former head of DHS, stated that the killings were "almost the kind of event that's impossible to prevent and almost impossible to predict," that "[t]he right to bear arms is fundamental to the liberty interests of all Americans" and that "existing laws related to firearms and their possession are a sufficient framework by which to ensure the safety of all.”

“[I]mpossible to prevent and almost impossible to predict” when people knew that Rodger from his teen years was a victim of relentless bullying, knew that he was socially isolated and socially incompetent, and knew that he was publicly threatening suicide and murder?

Napolitano’s remarks remind me of Condi Rice’s comments after the 9/11 attacks when she said that no one anticipated that terrorists would take airplanes and slam them into the World Trade Center. Rice said this even though intelligence analysts were ringing alarm bells warning of airplane hijackings and the WTT as a prime target in the months preceding 9/11.

In Impeach the President: the Case Against Bush and Cheney, you can find this brief summary of what the US government knew about the impending 9/11 attacks on pp. 268-270:

Afghanistan, Argentina, Britain, Cayman Islands, Egypt, France, Germany, Israel, Italy, Jordan, Morocco, Russia, and from within the US intelligence community all warned the US of imminent terrorist attacks. Some of the 9/11 pre-warnings include:

1996–2001: Federal authorities knew that suspected terrorists with ties to bin Laden received flight training at schools in the US and abroad. An Oklahoma City FBI agent sent a memo warning that “large numbers of Middle Eastern males” were getting flight training and could have been planning terrorist attacks. [CBS, 5/30/02] One convicted terrorist confessed that his planned role in a terror attack was to crash a plane into CIA headquarters. [Washington Post, 9/23/01]

June of 2001: German intelligence warned the CIA, Britain’s intelligence agency, and Israel’s Mossad that Middle Eastern terrorists were planning to hijack commercial aircraft and use them as weapons to attack “American and Israeli symbols which stand out.” [Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung, 9/11/01; Washington Post, 9/14/01; Fox News, 5/17/02]

June 28, 2001: George Tenet wrote an intelligence summary to Condoleezza Rice stating, “It is highly likely that a significant al-Qaeda attack is in the near future, within several weeks.” [Washington Post, 2/17/02]

June-July 2001: President Bush, Vice President Cheney, and national security aides were given briefs with headlines such as “Bin Laden Threats Are Real” and “Bin Laden Planning High Profile Attacks.” The exact contents of these briefings remain classified, but according to the 9/11 Commission, they consistently predicted upcoming attacks that would occur “on a catastrophic level, indicating that they would cause the world to be in turmoil, consisting of possible multiple—but not necessarily simultaneous—attacks.” [9/11 Commission Report, 4/13/04 (B)]

July 26, 2001: Attorney General Ashcroft stopped flying commercial airlines due to a threat assessment. [CBS, 7/26/01] The report of this warning was omitted from the 9/11 Commission Report [Griffin 5/22/05]

Aug 6, 2001: President Bush received a classified intelligence briefing at his Crawford, Texas ranch, warning that bin Laden might be planning to hijack commercial airliners, entitled “Bin Laden Determined to Strike in the United States.” The entire memo focused on the possibility of terrorist attacks inside the US and specifically mentioned the World Trade Center. [Newsweek, 5/27/02; New York Times, 5/15/02, Washington Post, 4/11/04, White House, 4/11/04, Intelligence Briefing, 8/6/01]

August, 2001: Russian President Vladimir Putin warned the US that suicide pilots were training for attacks on US targets. [Fox News, 5/17/02] The head of Russian intelligence also later stated, “We had clearly warned them” on several occasions, but they “did not pay the necessary attention.” [Agence France-Presse, 9/16/01]

September 10, 2001: a group of top Pentagon officials received an urgent warning that prompted them to cancel their flight plans for the following morning. [Newsweek, 9/17/01] The 9/11 Commission Report omitted this report. [Griffin, 5/22/05]

In other words, Rice and the rest of the US government had to have been willfully blind in the face of the signs that a devastating attack was coming and that the World Trade Center and airplanes would very probably be involved.

Then Counter-Terrorism Czar Richard Clarke tried desperately to get a meeting with President Bush in the weeks and months prior to 9/11 and was continuously stymied by none other than Condi Rice who was in charge of determining who got to see the President.

Janet Napolitano, who now runs the UC system as its president, supported the invasion of Iraq, upholds the indefinite detention of suspects without charge, and endorses the suppression of civil liberties as necessary to "prevent terrorism.” The same individuals, in other words, who tell us that 9/11 was impossible to predict and impossible to prevent and the same individuals who tell us that crazed killers like Rodger can’t be prevented or anticipated, are the very same people telling us that they can prevent and predict terrorism by suspending and/or violating due process, the rule of law, and Constitutional guarantees against warrantless searches. They do not use their existing powers when directly told that individuals or groups are explicit threats who have been saying that they’re going to kill others, but they can and are constantly grabbing up more and more powers to spy on absolutely everybody and treat everyone as a suspect. Real suspects, in other words, are being ignored while innocents are being treated and punished as criminals and criminal suspects.

The Rodger killings are not an isolated incident. It is merely the chickens coming home to roost. Is there any other better reason for us to wake up to the fact that the authorities in charge and the system that they lead are a dire and immediate threat to the welfare of the people and of the planet? Does it make any sense to ignore this evidence and does it make any sense to not join the efforts of those who are trying to bring about a revolution to save humanity and the planet from destruction against these mad men and women in charge of this death-dealing system?

Editor's note: This terrible incident spotlights the consequences of society's authorities promoting the ethic of revenge killings. What Rodger did in proving that he was an "alpha male" is the same thing, except on a smaller scale, as what the US government did in its invasion and occupation of Iraq, and what Obama does when he assassinates people with drones. The standards being set by society's leaders are being emulated by individuals such as Rodger, as we should inevitably expect to happen since society is all of one whole cloth and if those who lead the society are justifying shredding the social fabric and treating others as suitable for torture and murder, then solitary individuals will surely follow that example. The only difference is the scale of their criminal actions. Loo's article delves deeply into how the Santa Barbara killings' concrete particulars are intertwined with the modeling going on by authorities in their domestic and foreign policy and their underlying philosophy of "me first." The people we have to fear the most, in other words, are not random unhinged individuals. The most dangerous people are those who are supposedly protecting our welfare who are presiding over a system wholly indifferent to our welfare. Authorities are saying point blank that they cannot protect us from these random incidents as they say they can't predict and can't prevent them. Society can never be entirely rid of the solitary madman. But when the solitary madman is mirroring authorities and when authorities wash their hands of these incidents because they are themselves too busy commiting grand crimes on a a world scale that dwarf these awful individual incidents, then it's time to thoroughly expose the criminal logic of those who govern over us and time to replace the criminal system that is fundamentally responsible for and the primary contributing factor for horrors such as this. This systems' now routine operations, in other words, are what we should fear the most of all.



0 # LA305302 2014-05-25 17:42
I am so happy you decided to write about this because there are so many things going on here. When I first heard the story, my first reaction was "Wow, another story about a young middle class man killing with a mental disorder." Which to me in a say is significant when addressing why this man was allowed to buy so many guns when he had aspergers syndrome. People are using this as a way to promote against gun control. How convenient I thought. What was really bothering me was the lack of responsiveness from the police to take these youtube clips seriously. Because he was a middle class white male, just going through the motions of college? I do not understand what was normal about this? How about the misogynist things he was saying? This depicts a clear picture of what is going on in our society. There is such high pressure to be "a man" at this time and age. By no means is what he did acceptable, but a clear image of many others that might be lashing out due to societal discourses
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0 # Sarah Heitz 2014-05-25 21:34
I agree! What shocked me the most was to find out that the police did not take these videos seriously. If they had been doing their job then who knows how many lives would have been saved. And of course the argument for more gun control. This is a convenient way for people to promote to have stronger laws for gun control but that is not the real issue behind this. The real issue is that because he was a middle class white male the police did not take his threats seriously. If this were an African American or even a Latino man they would have pulled out all measures to make sure this man would be stopped before anything happened.
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0 # Natalie Rivera 2014-05-25 23:44
Yes, this is what I had just commented above. If it would have been a minority, then there would be a sense of urgency to address the issue. However, in this situation it was a white male. There is definitely offender bias, I believe due to stereotypes. A revolution is indeed needed to shake things up! It's a start!
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0 # LA305302 2014-05-26 05:20
I agree. When the main headlines are that this man was "mentally ill" then why did the police not take this as a serious case? He was going to see a psychologist, yet their argument was that he seemed like a nice guy. I wonder if they expected to see that a mentally ill person has two right legs. It is not that i am for/against the idea of gun control, but seems so convenient for it to become a spectacle about gun control, rather then look at the discourses that might have led to this.
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0 # CamouflagedWife 2014-05-26 15:44
The interesting thing is that there wasn't even much attention to it at first when it happened. Usually, something like this would flood all over the internet, fb, and any other media outlets, but not this time. I had friends talking about how upset they were that people weren't saying anything about it. The police didn't take videos that were obviously of concern seriously because he wasn't a minority. But with all the resources that the government and other institutions have to spy on us, why couldn't this be prevented? It's interesting to look at it that way, since we are being spied on so heavily. I don't understand how this wasn't noticed and stopped before it could even occur. At the same time, this shows how corrupt our societies norms are, since things like this are what deem a man "masculine." I think this is an interesting thing to look at in terms of things that need to change in upbringings, because who is to say this won't continue to happen because of similar reasons.
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0 # jnandez 2014-05-28 16:11
Yup! And this can only happen in a nation where misogyny is normal and is supported by many. It may not be as extreme every day, but misogyny is the foundation of so many norms that we face in America. And the sad thing is that many women do not even see it. It disgusts me that if women were to hate men as misogynists hate women, then these women would be deemed as dykes who should not be taken seriously. These feminists are not crazy, yet so many just like to brush them off as extremists. What a shame.
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0 # CamouflagedWife 2014-06-02 00:16
Sarah, I definitely agree with you! I was very shocked to hear the videos were not taken seriously. With the amount of surveillance our government has on us, it is very interesting that these were not noticed or taken seriously. Masculinity is such a HUGE pressure on males nowadays with homosexual people now having the freedom to be "out." Men are then dominated by masculinity to show their "Straightness" or manliness as it pertains to the patriarchal power of manliness. There are however, other issues like that of race that come into play. He was a "white male" and many do not see him as a threat, but like Sarah stated, if he was a different race, it would've been different. The interesting thing about the gun argument is that people will still find ways to have firearms. You don't need to "legally" own or buy one to be able to use one. It's just weird how many of the crimes that
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0 # CamouflagedWife 2014-06-02 00:17
are as big as this were broadcasted more openly across media and this didn't have as much at first. I mean this in specifically with social media. Social Media spreads like wildfire and this was the one time it didn't happen as it seemed to many to just be another shooting by a white middle class male who wanted to do it. It just saddens me that this shooting even occurred, when it seems like things could've been done to stop it.
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0 # Sarah Heitz 2014-06-08 21:06
It saddens me also knowing that there were warning signs that led up to this shooting. There is so much that could have been done to stop this. It is sad that they ignored the cries for help because of his race. Race should be a non factor and videos that are posted on the internet and calls to the police from his mother should have been warning enough. I believe that is partially why this was not covered on the media or many social networks because this wasn't out of the blue. He had been planning this and his mother and the local police knew about the videos. What more is it going to take for them to take the next cry for help seriously?
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0 # Menava 2014-05-25 21:49
You're right, by no means was this acceptable. But we teach the youth that violence is acceptable that even our leaders, as mentioned in the article, joke about using violence. I too used to think when I read similar stories that this was another case of a mentally ill person who forgot to take their meds. Now I think about the fact that our mental health system is so lacking. The onus is on the mental health system not the patient who gets all the blame in stories like this one. I'm greatly disturbed by the student who knew the murderer. Who makes such a callous public statement? After some reflection I realized that situation such as this one is becoming so normalized that it's very easy to be callous.
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0 # Natalie Rivera 2014-05-25 23:34
Have you noticed how every time a white male commits a crime, there is a sense of sympathy from the community? However, if a crime is committed by a minority, then the offender is doubly attacked by the media. There is never a sense of understanding or sympathy for a minority offender. Does this mean that there is offender bias? Yes!
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0 # cglov3r 2014-05-26 01:44
YES, YES, YES I do! I have experienced the same thoughts. It does appear quite often that the community somehow finds empathy and consideration for a white offender whereby often when a minority who commits an offense even half as detrimental, he's pretty much hung in the eye of the media almost immediately. Offender bias is exact. I am outraged that the police didn't pay much mind to the youtube clips. Had it have been a minority, the authorities would have kicked his door in within minutes of the clips airing. And, yet this is the system of the society in which we live: a very biased and racially unequal one.
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0 # Natalie Rivera 2014-06-09 20:25
Unfortunately we live in a society that is racially unequal. This is not the first time that a white "looking" offender is seen as being harmless. Again, if it would have been someone that looked like a minority, then the situation would most likely have been different. Instead Elliott was underestimated, consequently causing harm to others.
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0 # Michelle Ngo 2014-05-26 01:59
It is similar to when a white female goes missing the media would go frantic about it, but when a minority female goes missing the media would not frantically post about it. There is a lot of bias. No matter what where we go or what we see there will be some bias somewhere.
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0 # Natalie Rivera 2014-06-09 22:59
I understand your point, and is often valid within the United States. Are you referring to the media within the United States? I ask because in Juarez Mexico, there are countless women that have gone missing. Although this is an occurrence that is happening outside of the United States, "Las Mujers de Juarez/The Women of Juarez, are often spoken of within the United States.
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+1 # draen 2014-05-26 05:59
This is such a great point. All I see is people talking about how sad it is that this poor middle class white man was so mentally ill that he committed these atrocities. But of the same situation occurred by a minority, the media would just talk about how much of a criminal he is. The bias is so extreme that it doesn't fully take into account the severity of the situation and instead passes blame to mental problems.
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0 # Natalie Rivera 2014-06-09 23:04
Elliott was bi-racial white/Asian therefore a minority. This was knowledge I barely became aware of, but perhaps he was underestimated due to him being a model minority. Being considered to be a model minority is a good thing and a college student, but perhaps could have led to innocent people dying due to Elliott being underestimated by law enforcement. Either way, the loss of any human life is indeed unfortunate.
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0 # Dbug 2014-05-26 06:36
Natalie, your right if this was committed by a minority the offender would be harassed by the police and attacked by the media. As it is minorities are treated as suspects. However, if your a white male who committed a crime, the community is sympathetic. The media sounds like a broken record when they air stories about white offenders committing crime and then wonder, "what went wrong?". There is definitely offender bias.
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0 # Natalie Rivera 2014-06-09 20:33
Even though Elliott was half white and half Asian, he did not look like a minority. Our society is guided by stereotypes, upon making judgments on others. An example would be someone who "looks" Latino, must be speak Spanish right? Wrong, not all of those individuals that are Latina/o,Hispan ic speak their "native" language.
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0 # Dennis Loo 2014-06-09 21:17
To those of us at least who have seen what we call hapa haole kids in Hawaii, Elliott was obviously bi-racial white/Asian.
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0 # Natalie Rivera 2014-06-09 22:48
Oh really? I was unfamiliar with that term hapa haole kids in Hawaii Dr. Loo, and I find it interesting. I wonder if any of the law enforcement officers, that spoke to Elliott, knew that he was bi-racial white/Asian? If so, is that perhaps why law enforcement did not find him to be a threat? Being that Asians are considered to be model minorities. Also, the fact that he was a college student contributed to the underestimation of Elliott's violent capabilities?
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0 # Sarah Heitz 2014-06-02 01:44
I completely agree with this and have seen the trend happen many times! It is the "war on crime" that is covering up the racist ideals our country holds. It is horrible to know that the majority of people incarcerated at African American and that the crime rates for this race has gone down. Offender bias is a huge issue that needs to be addressed. But how? How is it possible to make the public see what is trending for different races who commit a crime?
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0 # jnc 2014-06-02 04:07
I completely agree with this statement. Whenever a white individual commits a crime, they are viewed as insane or diagnosed a mental illness. When a minority individual commits an act of violence, their are no medical diagnoses and the person who committed the act of violence is does not get any special form of attention the way the white individual does. If mental illness can be the excuse for the white man why can't it be that for the minority? Why does the white man get the escape goat in these instances where as the minority is faced with it as being just a "norm" type of crime within their race.
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0 # Dennis Loo 2014-06-02 04:08
Rodger was bi-racial: half white and half Chinese.
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0 # cutemeow 2014-06-05 19:41
Its true Rodger was bi-racial, but regardless he still had white privilege. If not that, he had male privilege, which definitely had a strong influence on his views of the world. With both of these sorts of privileges in play, he felt a sense of entitlement. He felt uncomfortable because he was not getting what he thought he was entitled to getting, because he was a male. These sorts of gender inequalities are learned through socialization and also are instilled into some of our American values.
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0 # minnie 2014-06-07 20:50
I think that is a good argument to make cutemeow. Rodger was bi-racial but there are other privilege factors at play here. Believe it or not, studies have shown that skin color can affect the way someone perceives a person. For example, there have been “doll experiments” in which black and white dolls were shown to children and when asked by researchers questions such as, “Which doll is good? Which doll is prettier?” and other positive attributes about a human being, children quickly stated that the white doll embodied these qualities as opposed to the black doll. If children learn from role models in their lives and they already have this prejudiced mentality in their heads, this shows just what kind of values the American society embodies and teaches its future generations.
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0 # minnie 2014-06-07 20:54
In addition, I agree that by just being a man in our patriarchal society, Rodger has male privilege. This privilege that he believed that he was entitled to played a key role in how he justified his actions. Where do you see the criticism in the media in his belief that he needed to prove that he was an alpha male? This would critique America’s patriarchal societal values, but we can’t have that can we? We cannot let the public know that America’s societal values are flawed because this will raise questions about how our society functions and its real intentions.
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0 # giovanna serrano 2014-05-30 02:42
I can agree with you as far as when I first heard about this shooting. I though to myself another kid gone mad and went on a shooting spree. However, as a society we tend to focus more on trying to put blame on gun control usage as oppose to what the core problem is. Despite his mental illness this person had pressures fro society to fit the norms of having sexual relationships, and attention from girls. This shows how our society idealizes these things and put pressure on males who have not experienced this things. also like you stated the lack of police attention was mind blowing! I believe if this boy happened to be colored, things would have been different. The fact that he was white and middle class did not seem to raise any flags, here again we can see how race can dictates so much.
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0 # agris 2014-05-25 21:29
This got me to think what should the policy be like in the case of mothers calling the police about their son sending threats of mass murder, or any other people calling? Yes, it doesn't sound like the police know what they are doing. And for a mother to call and be concerned her son is going to murder many is quite a big red flag, but what should the policy and procedures be? Should he be locked up and put in jail? For what he hasn't done anything yet, and if we are going to start incarcerating people for their ability to exercising freedom of speech then we might as well just take that amendment off the constitution. However, should we really sit back and wait for the event to happen before doing anything? Do people need to be harmed, society sent into an uproar, and blame must be placed on someone with pointed fingers? What is a proper procedure for such accusations and how can these events be prevented in our communities?
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0 # cutemeow 2014-06-08 01:44
There are procedures put in place to handle situations where people make threats like this. Elliot Rodger had a motive, a plan, a target (the victims), and a weapon to carry out this threat. Based on the information that he had a plan to hurt others and himself, I believe that the police would be allowed to take Elliot Rodger into custody. Sure, he had a right to freedom of speech, but that does not include threatening to kill other people. The point is not about freedom of speech, but rather the police not following procedures and using proper judgement. Elliot Rodgers should have been taken seriously for his threats, and these events could have been avoided.
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0 # Agris 2014-06-08 23:16
So does that mean that if one day I am online blogging about my parents in a fit of rage to clam my nerves and (go forbid) begin to rant about how I wish they were dead and I would not be sad if they were ran over and whatever else that comes to my mind in fit of rage and passion, that I should be considered a threat? With the new forms of media and social internet sites simple public outrages become massive outrages but does that mean we as people need to limit our speech? I'm not saying that it is okay to rant and rave all kinds of obscurities but isn't that one of the reasons this country was founded on? Speaking out against the King and Queens was a death sentence. If we start limiting what is considered acceptable to say, whose to say that it is not the being of limitations after limitations. Society has a trend of creating restrictions then tightening more and more and more until something that was not a big deal before has suddenly become illegal.
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0 # Agris 2014-06-08 23:17
I am asking is there a way to create prevention without creating new limitations that will ultimately become regulations against what was meant to be a form of freedom?
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-1 # Menava 2014-05-25 21:41
That's the problem with a bureaucracy: they only function for the same old-same old. When presented with a problem, such as a frantic mother reporting their child had plans to mass murder others, they cannot appropriately solve the problem. The routine of checking the dorm was standard and apparently the officers consider that enough to be adept in handling such a call/report.
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0 # Christine Lopez 2014-05-25 22:20
I find it hard to believe that the police spokesperson said, "You've got to understand that this fairly routine kind of call that this common place he said". "The deputies are well trained and are adept to handling these kind of calls". The mother contracted the police he son needed help, so the police could of helped avoid this tragedy, the police job is to help protect and serve the community.I don't think the police should taken the you tube video lightly especially when the video show Elliot Rodgers threatening to commit mass murders. If the police did not know how to handle this case they should have refereed him to someone else who can handle this situation. Then this situation could have been avoided maybe Elliot Rodgers could of received the help he needed and this tragedy would have never happened.
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0 # Tiffany 2014-05-25 22:32
This was a major concer for me when I found out about the shooting. I came up here on Friday and was in my hotel when this happened and I was frightened and worried. The next morning I heard there was a YouTube video I became angry. First the fact that he made a video and the police did nothing of significant manner to stop this from happening. Secondly the fact that I was able to watch the entire video because they haven't taken it down yet. And now, the fact that his mother had expressed her concerns and nothing was done to keep a closer eye on him. Yes what were the police to do? I don't know. But with someone expressing that much hatred and a frantic mother should be enough to take more precautions and warm people. Nothing significant was done. I am here and attended the candle light vigil and so to say, this should not have happened.
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0 # Lomonaco 2014-05-25 22:43
This story is tragic from the start. If this kid was singled as an oddball there should have been help for him to start with. Being bullied from his peers is not right.
Don’t think taking the right to bear arms away is going to stop shootings. The criminals are the ones who have and can get ahold of any kind of gun they want. They put a ban on automatic weapons, but the bad people still have them. They are trying to preach to the choir.
People like to prey on the weak and disadvantaged. It is sad that people pick on the weak. This is a disaster waiting to happen. However, no one will ever look at the people who push him to do this over the years. It is not right to institutionaliz e mentally unstable people. We want them to live in society and do the best they can.
Corner an animal and poke at it for a while and wonder why it freaks the fuck out. This is what happened to this poor boy.
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0 # MarieB 2014-05-30 06:16
I think some type of psychiatric help is necessary for some people, and apparently Rodger was seeing a therapist. However, it takes more than just a therapist to make mentally ill feel loved and sane.

I've noticed this ever since I was in elementary school. My family raised me to try to overlook "oddball" qualities instead of giggling about a classmate who is clearly socially challenged, as my cousins have autism. Even now in college, people judge and condemn other students for characteristics that very well may be mental handicaps. Overall, it shouldn't matter if the person is normal, disabled, or just insecure, individuals make up a society by their actions. It is so infuriating that people our age treat others so poorly without even thinking if the person has a disability. Of course this doesn't excuse Rodger, but it just goes to show how individuals can have an influence in others' lives.
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0 # thatdude 2014-05-25 23:22
This is so true and I would never have thought to compare the Santa Barbara shooting to the attacks on 9/11. Having a close friend that goes to UCSB, when this story surfaced it immediately grabbed my attention and had me thinking how? who? why? I too generalized it as "another psychotic person shooting up a school" but with the bit about the police officer's comments and how they have been well trained for this and that there's nothing that could have been done, it just sounds like cop-out B.S. YouTube videos of this guy making specific threats and hinting at killing people seems like enough evidence to me to further question this person get him in the hands of a school counselor or at least something of that nature. It just seems that people in power get this "I'm invisible" mentality and they become numb to potential threats and prioritize their lives based on their personal agendas.
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0 # thatdude 2014-05-26 02:22
"I'm **invincible"
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0 # Natalie Rivera 2014-05-25 23:30
I personally do not feel safe or protected from anyone or anything. If I am still alive and unharmed it is mere luck. Yes, there are some laws that protect us, but why does it take a tragedy to bring about a revolution? Perhaps it is human nature to scamper for change upon visible disarray. In any case as long as change occurs to better our current safety, then I'm all for it.
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0 # Jessica Ulloa 2014-05-26 00:04
There are so many things that are of concern when i heard about this. Reading the article that the NYT posted makes me even more concerned. How can a police officer state that this event could not have been foreseen? it does not take a rocket scientist to realize that a person (regardless of their mental state) being bullied can eventually become so frustrated to the point that they may be of harm to themselves or to others. The Youtube video that Rodger posted is very evident that he has some troubles; aside from his mental issue, what i find most concerning is that the bullying that Rodger endured is just ignored. The tragedy is not only the shootings that occurred but the reason as to why they happened and the lack of severity that was placed on the situation, when this definitely could have been avoided. I saw this on the news when it happened yesterday morning, I did not know what or why it happened. CNN would just post "breaking NEWS: mass murder" The details were very vague.
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0 # cutemeow 2014-06-08 02:02
I think that the police make the statement that "the event could not be foreseen" because they want to try to remove that responsibility from themselves. They don't want to admit that they made a mistake, so they try to make it seem like it was out of their control. Also I thought it was very fitting that he would post those videos. You could tell by the way he spoke about himself and his plans in the videos, he had a huge ego. If it wasn't for the internet, he would have no audience to watch these.
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0 # Jessica Ulloa 2014-05-26 00:06
It was vague to the point that something was being covered up. Dr loo brings up a good point in his book Globalization, Why is it that when evidence is right in our 'leaders' faces, nothing is done? If the government knew about the 9/11 attacks and preparation for this, why wasn't anything done? Why weren't we prepared? Of course, the actual day could not have been foreseen, but even if the exact day was listed, i feel that the government was so blind and in denial of the situation that it would have still happened.
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0 # SecretSeaBridges 2014-05-26 00:27
I can not wrap my brain around the fact that when the police were notified by the perpetrators own mother about a possible mass murder being conducted, the police did not do more than they did. It just does not make sense to me. I feel like they should have some sort of training that can efficiently handle a situation like this so that it could have been avoided. I have read other articles on Elliot Rodger and it seem as if prior to the killings he was going through therapy for many personal issues. There were MANY signs leading to the killings that many ignored(YouTube Videos of violence and suicide,former students believing he would snap,low self esteem, mother's concern). It scares me knowing that anyone can go out and purchase a gun and then go out and use it on so many innocent people.
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0 # tiamari 2014-05-29 20:45
The signs were there. I'm still trying to understand why something was not done to prevent it. There was clear visible signs about his intentions.
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0 # SecretSeaBridges 2014-06-07 20:17
I still have difficulty understanding why nothing was done to prevent this to the police. Maybe if they had done a proper background check on Rodger's, this could have possibly been prevented.
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0 # Michelle Ngo 2014-05-26 01:43
We are influenced by society and our environment. What is mentally ill? Are people defining mentally ill the same way? Mentally ill people tend to be seen as "dumb" people, who act outside the norm. Those who have committed these massacres have been stamped mentally ill. They have been tormented by people who saw them as different. I do not agree with what UC president, Janet Napolitano said about how these killings are "impossible to prevent and almost impossible to predict." It can be prevented if others had noticed the signs early. The culprits behind such horrendous events had something that triggered the mental breakdown. They acted upon the emotions that were built up after years of torture by the people around them. If the police had seen the video threats as something serious, then this tragic event could have been prevented and no one would have died.
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0 # jnandez 2014-05-28 16:20
Much of the time when people are blaming massacres and shootings like this on mental illness, they are doing so to find a quick fix to the problem. They are too quick to find a reason as to why, that they are completely ignoring the actual cause/ source. And then the rest of society agrees with this oversimplified cause because they are products of the system that teaches with oversimplified answers.
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0 # BBalty 2014-05-26 01:45
This story has been getting so much media attention since the event occurred. Yet there has been nothing mentioned about the two police officers from Salinas, California who shot and killed an alleged suspect. There is even a video that shows the whole incident of the man being shot by both officers and I feel that if not for that video, the story wouldn't have gotten any media attention. This just goes to show that News networks will only give attention to events that reflect their views of society. This gives the American public a one dimensional view of the social problems in our country.
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0 # BBalty 2014-05-26 02:11
I cannot comprhend how individuals such as Janet Napolitano are attempting to justify the actions of Elliot Rogers and make statements that nothing could have been done to prevent it. Are you kidding me? The American government can kill based off of meta data they collect yet they couldn't prevent the actions of a 23-year old college student? Especially when he made explicit threats that he posted to social media and his own mother contacted auhtorities. The government has policies to prevent terrorism yet they state that there was nothing they could have done but continue to "uphold the indefinite detention of suspects without charge, and endorses the suppression of civil liberties as necessary to "prevent terrorism.” And at this point the only attempt by authorities to try and over up this contradiction is to blame mental-illness. So I'm assuming the government has total discretion on who is mentally ill and who is an actual terrorist and the law is based off of their views.
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0 # flr9d 2014-05-26 02:20
This sadly is another traject story that I believe could have been prevented. In this article the section where other students talked about how they saw it coming, I agree with Dr. Loo. If u were any of those students that say they saw it coming I would feel responsible to an extend. I think any of the students could have notified authorities or the school. That right there was the first red flag. The second red flag was when the parents notified the police.The second red flag was when his parenst believed Rogers treaths enough to notify the authorities. Its really sad when authorities after the trajety said the event could not have been prevented.Roger was a victim of societys norms that he was trying to comform to, but he decided to stop being the victim and take out his anger on others.
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0 # Guy 2014-05-26 03:08
The 9/11 attack on the WTC and the Santa Barbra shooting is a great comparison. I think it shows that there is only so much one can hide until the whole thing foils out before it even happens. I think making sociopathy an official norm makes it seem easier to ignore the problem on hand rather than finding the root cause of these attacks. The government over generalizes events that happen to cause confusion when trying to separate what is actually right from wrong. I don't think Rodger is necessarily the face of America because there are also mentally ill people around the world that lash out such as the person in China that killed 8 young students in a knife attack recently. It is giving Americans a label and from class lectures on the labeling theory it says that it reinforces criminal thoughts. The significant difference is that Americans use a more lethal force which is with firearms.
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0 # Dennis Loo 2014-05-26 04:19
Quoting Guy:
I don't think Rodger is necessarily the face of America because there are also mentally ill people around the world that lash out such as the person in China that killed 8 young students in a knife attack recently.
The knife attacks in China on children are a symptom of the profound alienation that many are experiencing under the unleashing of capitalist forces and the demolition of the socialist state. Rodger is a symptom of today's America, the dark underside. Ditto the men murdering children in China are symptomatic of the system in China.
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0 # marcos1 2014-05-28 00:45
Are we to blame everything on this system? Or just the bad things? If we blame the system for everything, where does accountability for ones actions come into play? What you've taught me so far is that a system is a thing in itself. That doesn't mean that people have to react in such way. Many people experience bullying in high school, mentally ill or not. If we are going to attribute everything to the system, we might as well put a barcode on our necks and label ourselves robots.
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0 # Jason Kubanis 2014-05-26 03:49
When hearing of stories such as mass shootings, the first thing that comes to mind is not gun control. From Columbine to Santa Barbara the media has continued to romance these stories, I understand that the individuals committing the crimes and the victims of their crimes is all senseless, but what I find to be the most amusing is the lack of back story on these murders lives. I understand what it is like to be an outcast and to be socially awkward at times but this gives no one the right to belittle or talk down to human beings. I take the stand that Rogers may have had a mental illness but bullying may have been the driving point to this senseless rampage. By no means do I disrespect the families or the victims in this tragedy, if people continue to badger and treat people with a lack of respect, issues such as these will continue. So to all the parents teach your children that people are different and teach them to treat others how you want to be treated.
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0 # jatoxqui 2014-05-29 05:50
Quoting Jason Kubanis:
I take the stand that Rogers may have had a mental illness but bullying may have been the driving point to this senseless rampage...So to all the parents teach your children that people are different and teach them to treat others how you want to be treated.

It's a very good point that you make with regards to bullying being the bigger factor behind Rodger's reason to kill those people. I wouldn't exactly agree that people should teach their children that people are different because that is excatly what is keeping people more segregated. That is what has been consistently keeping races and social classes separated. On the contrary, if people would start treating each other as equals and not by race or SES, then there would be less of these tragic events.
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0 # Marisol Parra 2014-05-30 04:02
Agree society can be cruel overall; Elliott Rodger was mentally ill and was bullied in school which played somewhat of a factor. This issue wasn’t so much of gun control in my view; however it was various factors that caused Elliott to react in such a senseless act. The police never saw his as a victim coming from an upper white/Asian family he wasn’t categorized with such a profile to create the mass murder even though there was concrete evidence with his “You Tube Videos.” We can only assume his state of anomie that day was to kill.
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0 # Danielle Waldman 2014-05-26 03:50
Shootings will continue to occur no matter what race the individual is and no matter how obtainable guns are if the structure of our society continues to pressure men to be alpha males and to dominate over women, and not to mention the fact that the structure of our society causes people to bully and harass people that do not fit the social norms of the alpha male.
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0 # Uriel Gonzalez 2014-05-26 07:01
Yes, shootings will continue to occur, however, something must be done so that we can prevent it from occurring less often. I suggest we form as a people, and create a revolution by organizing a group at school. In order to make change we need to come as a group and demand the government what we feel needs to improve. Hearing Raymond Lotta speak a few weeks ago should inspire us to speak out so that we won't have this war on terror continue for generations to come, although that may be hard task to complete.
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0 # Jason Kubanis 2014-05-26 04:00
These shootings will continue as long as our society continues to promote male dominance. This young man was made fun of and belittled, and in his youtube videos he continues to make his point by saying that he will bring retribution and that he will be the alpha male. The violence that our society promotes through the comments of President Obama saying “Two Words Predator Drones” gives individuals the idea that it is okay to murder people that hurt you or your family. Men are always told to be strong and to be aggressive, as long as the patriarchal structure of our society continues, issues of violence will continue.
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0 # cutemeow 2014-06-08 01:33
Male dominance is definitely a strong theme in our society. The way we socialize boys and men has been this way for an incredibly long time. Men are taught to be aggressive and masculine, and women are taught to not be either of these things. Our government's dynamics are the same this way with other countries. The United States tries to keep keep its dominance over other countries by invading, and instilling fear in their people. The United States plays the role of the alpha male and asserts its dominance over others.
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0 # Danielle Waldman 2014-05-26 04:01
The complete and utter lack of concern by the authorities that had prior knowledge about Rodger's youtube videos and mental illness really aggravates me. Why is it that our social structure chooses to ignore blatant and direct signs of chaos to come, at the highest governmental level with the attacks and 9/11 to the SB shootings by Rodgers. How is okay to let bad things happen to innocent people when it can be prevented?
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0 # Dennis Loo 2014-05-26 14:41
Quoting Danielle Waldman:
Why is it that our social structure chooses to ignore blatant and direct signs of chaos to come, at the highest governmental level with the attacks and 9/11 to the SB shootings by Rodgers?
It's neoliberal policies. It's capitalism/impe rialism. The justifications for the Iraq invasion are very similar to Rodger's justifications for killing innocent people: I'm going to show them who's the alpha male. I'm going to kill those who offend me. I'm going to use lethal force against those who I am aggrieved by...
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0 # bobbybmartinez 2014-06-10 20:10
Because , I am upper class, I am male, I am American, I AM BETTER!

These are the flaws of our system.
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0 # AJ 2014-05-26 04:14
I heard a bit about the UCSB incident over the weekend, but until I read this article, I was not aware that the authorities had plenty of warnings. It seems to me that the police did not react as most people would usually do if such threats came from a sane person of a minority ethnicity. Aside from this, the government has come so consumed with the idea that we are to focus on terrorist threats that harms the government, leaving it's people open to become harmed from individuals' threats. If our government was fully interested in bringing safety to their citizens, any threat being pose would be fully investigate, especially when it has to do with murder.
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0 # Dennis Loo 2014-05-26 04:23
While what you've highlighted in your comment is part of the problem, there is a deeper point that you think you're overlooking. Take another look at the article, especially the latter part of the article.
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0 # AJ 2014-05-26 05:49
After rereading the article, I am truly concerned about the aspects that this government takes into account when deciding who is a real suspect. If Rodgers whom publicized his threats of committing mass murdered was not taken seriously by the police, what make us belief that the suspects being captured by the government have anything to do with the crimes accused of? For all I know the government might be holding the wrong people as suspects, leaving the real suspects free to harm as they wish.
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0 # Elizabeth arroyo 2014-05-26 06:54
I agree with you in the fact that the police are so worried about outside "threats" that they do not take incidence such as this seriously. A person was threading to kill others and the police did nothing about it. The police are the leading cause of this incident because they did nothing to stop it. Like you said earlier, if it was a person of a different ethnicity this story would have ended very differently.
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0 # jatoxqui 2014-05-28 02:58
It is true that if Rodgers would have been of a different ethnicity, then the angle of the story presented by the media and police would have been completely different. If the shooting would have happened at an urban location where the majority of the neighborhood population was Black or Latino, then it would have been classified as another ordinary thing that the neighborhood is used to witnessing. It would probably not have made national news like this story. Another thing that I've come to notice when there are school shootings by white males is that their mental state is always the first matter of the issue. Rodgers is no exception. Society tends to look at their psychological state but when "foreign terrorists" are caught, their mental state isn't questioned or analyzed. It is in a sense, justifying a domestic terrorist attack with psychological trauma and foreign attacks on American soil as evil done against us, who have done nothing to those violent terrorists.
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0 # jatoxqui 2014-05-28 03:08
Expanding on my previous comment: the government uses the media to frame the stories to their advantage. Instead of calling Rodger's violent crime as an act of terrorism, they are justifying his act based on his mental state. Foreign terrorists are not treated the same by the government because the media portrays them as the worse type of people who are ruthless against innocent American lives when we have invaded Iraq and other countries and have also done the same by terrorizing and killing many innocents. But the government calls them casualties so it is ok for us to do it but not the other way around. The American government wants to impose their ways in other countries and rejects any country who opposes them. The American government is the biggest bully in the world, which is why the smaller countries have been feeling underestimated when giving us warnings until they actually commit the act that everybody pays attention to the underdogs.
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0 # Catman 2014-05-26 04:28
I knew you would write about this Dr. Loo! I absolutely hate the fact that this happened, but the part that I hate even more is that it was preventable even if the UC president didn't think so. It sickens me to think that I want to go into law enforcement and I could be working next to someone that thinks those videos are not something to take seriously. The same way the government takes terrorist threats so seriously, should treat this situation in the same way. Terrorism can be other countries targeting the U.S. but when we target ourselves makes it so much worse. In class terror was said to be not focused on a specific individual and that's exactly what this mass murder is. He did say he was going to murder "blonde sorority girls", but other people ended up dying too. I think the police department of SB is responsible for this and even though lives cannot be brought back, the families should be reimbursed somehow.
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0 # Uriel Gonzalez 2014-05-26 04:43
This is another example, as you mentioned, of a red herring fallacy. Red herring fallacy is a fallacy in which an irrelevant topic is presented in order to divert attention from the original issue. The basic idea is to "win" an argument by leading attention away from the argument and to another topic. This sort of "reasoning" has the following form:
Topic A is under discussion.
Topic B is introduced under the guise of being relevant to topic A (when topic B is actually not relevant to topic A).
Topic A is abandoned. In the case of Elliott Rodger, the government and media is using his "medical illness" to divert attention from the real issue, which is war on terror. The government is continuing to ignore the grass root of issues, that will eventually have the people to bring about revolution. I am ready for revolution.
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0 # Princess Peach 2014-05-26 05:05
It is invalid to say that this tragedy that took place on May 23rd was unpredictable. It is clear that Rodgers was a threat. He publicly threatened students by committing mass murder. It is evident by simply watching the video that Rodgers was mentally ill. Although we are naturally social beings and crave acceptance, there was a deeper and darker problem with Rodgers. Police ignored these problems and this situation could have been prevented. It is unbelievable that the government willfully ignores signs that these, yet targets innocents through preventative detention. With this situation, I feel like the issue that keeps on coming up is that guns are too easily assessable. However this is not the true problem. The problem is that “sociopathy has become the official norm of our foreign and domestic policies”(Loo).
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0 # Aria 2014-06-02 06:55
I agree with the fact that there was a deeper problem with Rodgers. If we look into his past and even students thought in the past that he was prone to do crazy things, why was that not taken more into account? I agree that we keep talking about how guns are easily accessible. I think that it is not just the fact that there are so many guns, but even if there are not many, people who really want them will find a way to get to them. It really is that our society is more individualistic and when people want to do something, it is hard to stop them. There were times when Rodgers could be stopped, but since he was determined to do it, he did it. We should have paid more attention to people who really are the threat instead of keeping people locked up who could be threats.
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0 # Marisol Parra 2014-05-26 05:11
Law enforcement was already involved as his mother called them stating his son was mentally ill and wanted to kill. Dr. Loo quoted “The Rodger killings are not an isolated incident/ It is merely the chickens coming home to roost.” With this being said and many have stated here in the discussion that if this was a minority the headline would have read differently and seen in a whole different perspective. Law enforcement saw him as a young calm student so therefore ignored the concrete evidence. There was several You Tube videos that stated he wanted to kill and he longed missed his childhood memories . Unfortunately, seven lives were taken down but could have been saved if this so called system worked properly.
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0 # Catman 2014-05-26 05:16
The way DCL put this whole situation into perspective is amazing. When I saw the video, I just thought of this kid being the worst thing ever...not to think that he could be the face of America. I think that most men think this way about women take our jobs, withholding sex from us and just changing the face of America, especially when a woman tries to run for office. Even though most people think these things, I still think Elliott is "the other" because no one would take it to this extreme. The mental illness of this person should have been noted earlier in his life. There are many people to blame for this tragedy, police, parents, old high school classmates but the only people that pay the price are the innocent. I wonder if any of those people we could blame ever thought of maybe if I could have just said something...the se people could be alive. Selfishness? maybe...
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0 # soad 2014-05-26 05:59
It's interesting that the police call themselves law enforcement, but they didn't do anything substantial in the situation with Elliott Rodger. Although there was an obvious error in the statement the police spokesman said, it still makes everyone wonder. What kind of training does the police department undergo for situations where family members & peers of potential murders contact the police when they see their loved one show signs of hostility? The police state that Rodger's was calm & polite when they visited him at his dorm room, but wouldn't anyone act calm & polite when the police comes knocking at your door? The fact that he says in his YouTube videos that he "would take great pleasure in slaughtering all of you [girls that were never attracted to him]," and nothing was done about this situation is absolutely appalling. US citizens are considered suspects by the government and are constantly surveilled, but there was nothing done to prevent this situation.
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0 # draen 2014-05-26 06:07
I think one important aspect of these killings that not many are bringing into account is the severe internalized misogyny experienced by Rogers. He felt that he deserved the love and attention of females so much that because he was not given the attention he deserved, he went on a killing spree, killing the women that represented what he hated so much about women. I think this is largely in part due to the fact that society tells men that if they act like "gentlemen" (as Rogers called himself), women are expected to return their advances. This is much like the incident recently where a female student denied a male student's prom invitation and was in turn, stabbed by that student. I think society needs to get rid of the idea that women are expected to return whatever advances are given to them simply because the man is such a "nice guy."
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0 # tiamari 2014-05-29 20:32
Society has to change the messages that are transmitted. The message of misogyny is visible in socialization and the media. These messages are instilled from a young age.
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0 # Daniel Gomezz 2014-05-26 06:09
This is when bureaucracy's internal flaws penetrate the institutions of the cjs. Without care for the consequences on human life, the stratified hierarchy becomes so focused on the routine process of things that it fails to handle any out of the ordinary activity. Though this is a flaw of structure and process, the cjs's aims are not for the sake of humanity, it's for keeping the people in check. I feel that contemporary study of the effects of bureaucracy prominent today can reveal how we must go past this seemingly endless bureaucratic implementation.
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0 # Monique V. 2014-05-26 06:17
Prior to reading this post I was unaware that Roger had been questioned by police previous to this incident, but no action was taken. That seriously alarms me. The public is led to believe that police are "well trained" in their job. How is the public supposed to feel safe when police overlook individuals like Roger? All the signs were there, and he was even questioned, but that was it. The government spies on innocent people everyday, but can't pick up on someone who is about to go on a killing rampage? It just doesn't make sense.
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0 # Elizabeth arroyo 2014-05-26 06:49
This video unveils so many different issues from the police not taking threats seriously to the fact that these school kids do not give a shit that they are the leading cause of this horrible event and they are brushing off the situation like nothing. First point, the mother told the police about their child's intentions and even showed them the video and nothing was done. How can the police not have the common sense to comprehend the fact that this was a serious issue and should not be brushed off. Second, bullying is getting to be an issue that is spiraling out of control. Why is the school doing nothing to stop bullying in school? How do students get away with taping a classmates head to the table and no one in authority notices. This article angers me in the fact that we have people in authority both in the police force and in school with no sense of competency.
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0 # Dennis Loo 2014-05-26 14:38
Quoting Elizabeth arroyo:
bullying is getting to be an issue that is spiraling out of control. Why is the school doing nothing to stop bullying in school?

They're doing nothing about bullying because the society's overall leaders are themselves bullies. The US is bullying the entire world. This incident is a microcosm of what's wrong and what's wrong is profound. As I say in my article, sociopathy has been made into the leading norm by authorities. They have institutionaliz ed this into their policies - e.g., the supreme war crime of invading a country that did not threaten us - Iraq, the barbarity of torture, the abrogation of due process and the rule of law. A president who is assassinating thousands with drones without due process.
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0 # Slovebee 2014-05-26 20:41
This tragedy deeply saddens me. I have some close friends in Isla Vista who have been personally affected by this incident. Once again, this is a time to come together as a community to mourn to grieve and to try and change things. But how do we change things unless we know the root of the problem. And from this article and others I have read regarding the issue I agree that it has to do with the role Rodger felt entitled to. As the "alpha male" he felt entitled to hurt and to kill women because of his past rejection. The victims of this tragedy did not particularly hurt him but used them as symbols to place his anger and frustration on. And I find that so frustrating that the world we live in has allowed for people to think like this. We've given power to the "alpha male," and God forbid you get rejected and you use that as an excuse to kill others. Changes, I believe, can take on a small scale. We should build each other up and love and encourage, when life doesn't go "our" way.
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0 # Dennis Loo 2014-05-26 21:12
Look at the analysis in my article for the macro picture here too regarding the modeling for this kind of behavior by our society's leaders.
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0 # katgrl15 2014-05-27 04:11
Hearing about another shooting is quite disappointing because innocent bystanders died or were injured due to a person being mentally unstable and not taken seriously. I feel like the police had ample information and evidence to lead them to know, assess, and find a solution on how prevent this tragedy. It is also quite concerning that the police are starting to look at school shooting as a norm or as the article states "routine" and do not take these situations as more serious and harmful to society. If someone is stating, through social media, that hey I am angry and I am taking measures into my own hands, a red flag should automatically be up for the police to see and investigate on. It just amazes me how little was done when concerns were reported.
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0 # Lomonaco 2014-05-27 14:30
If the United States government was warned that there were planes that were going to be hijacked and flown into the twin towers and they did nothing to take precautions why would a lower branch of government take measures? This school shooting is tragic, but it only involved a few people in comparison to 9/11. How can the police take measures to stop someone when there has been no crime committed? If that was the case there would be even more people locked up.

I have a friend that says she wants to strangle whoever, when they have done something dumb. Do I think she is going to do it? No.
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0 # Dennis Loo 2014-05-27 15:01
Elliott's YouTube threats were totally different from your friend's offhand comments. You should go watch them. Rodger's mother alerted the police because of how explicit and alarming the threats to kill others and himself were.
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0 # Lomonaco 2014-05-27 15:21
Do you think if they were to put a hold on these people, like they do for people who have a plan to commit suicide, would it help long term?
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0 # Dennis Loo 2014-05-27 16:52
In a case such as this, yes. They had explicit threats from him and he was clearly out of his mind. They should have checked on whether he'd purchased weapons too, which would have turned up if these "professionals" had done a modicum of what they're expected to do.
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0 # Lomonaco 2014-05-27 23:16
So should we lock up every person who threatens to harm another and has some plan in doing so?
people can get their hands on a gun without going through a dealer.
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0 # bobbybmartinez 2014-06-10 20:14
Yet in cases like Treyvon Martin and Zimmerman, the simple fact that Zimmerman felt threatened by Treyvon, was legal reason to shoot and kill him.

But when you have someone of upperclass status, the fact that the individual was calm in an interview was enough to let him go. It didn't matter whether he made explicit threats and purchased a weapon.
This is the fucked up part of our society.
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0 # marcos1 2014-05-28 00:55
The incompetence displayed by Rice should render her jobless. Or at least removed from that type of job. Any one of us would have been let go for making continuous mistakes and that's not a bad thing. Merit is what should count, not who you may or may not know, or even any type of (excuse me professors) tenure. This is especially so when lives are at stake.

About Elliot Rodger, there should have been someone making sure that his environment at school was not a harmful one. Teachers, dean, (last resort) others students should have stepped in just like I have in the past for people who have been picked on. It's a choice to step in, regardless of capitalist system I live in, it's a choice I made.
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0 # draen 2014-05-28 01:24
I think an important aspect of what happened here is the way that society projects the idea of masculinity. From a young age we teach boys that they need to be masculine and that in order to mean something, you must display masculine qualities. These start off just as being tough and emotionless, but as boys get older, they are taught that they must have sexual conquests and they must be respected. Rogers was angry that he did not meet society's expectations for masculinity, because he was still a virgin and because even though he was a "gentleman" women still did not sleep with him. And he blamed women (most specifically sorority girls) for this. In an ideal world, society would just give up the idea of masculinity and femininity, because they are detrimental not only to the way we perceive ourselves, but how we perceive others. Obviously there were many contributing factors, but I believe the way he felt that he didn't live up to the notion of masculinity was an important aspect.
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0 # tiamari 2014-05-29 20:36
The messages that are given to boys and girls about what it means to be a man or woman need to be changed. Both boys and girls face an immense pressure to live up to those standards.
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0 # draen 2014-06-02 22:11
I definitely agree. Gender roles and the expectations of both men and women are responsible for the hatred of women and the concept of male entitlement. If we could change the way society perceives femininity and masculinity, situations like this wouldn't happen.
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0 # jatoxqui 2014-05-28 02:12
This is absolutely an atrocious act. This is only the result of what society pushes young people to do. Bullying leads children to be socially exiled and they are not taken seriously when they start making threats against others and themselves. This is what happened with Rodger. He fell victim of the system and despite of all the warnings he gave, no one listened. It was only until he committed the act that society paid attention. Authorities failed by disregarding the parent's warning call as something "that is quite commonplace". If they were in the poor neighborhoods, the police would not have hesitated to arrest the suspect. But because Rodger came from a well off community, the police just decided to overlook it. Just like the multiple treats made by Bin Laden to attack the United States, Rodgers was also trying to make a point. He publicly stated his intentions and yet people still turned their backs, underestimating his capacities.
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0 # jatoxqui 2014-05-28 02:39
What I just cannot seem to understand is that the NSA is supposed to be wiretapping civilian's phones and emails and yet, they failed to see the obvious threats made by Rodger. It was not a random comment that he made to a person but he actually publicized for everybody to turn and finally notice him. This only goes to show that despite all the "high tech" surveillance that the NSA has on American people, these types of tragedies continue to happen. Now that is what I would begin to consider as "quite commonplace". The issue here is that the government keeps on feeding people the idea that the NSA is wiretapping our phones and emails for our own protection from terrorists but once again, prove to the public that these are all lies or else this tragic event would not have happened. Even without tapping his phone, he made his intentions clear so it is appalling that the government continues to ignore all the signs and innocents have to suffer the consequences.
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0 # AJ 2014-05-28 18:32
Today in the morning as i was driving to school, I heard about the arrest of a man over videos he posted about his hatred towards bicyclists and . This got me thinking this man that was upset about cyclist was arrested and charged with reckless endangerment, however, Elliot Rodgers that no only did he expressed upsetting view, but also stated that he was going to commit murder was not.
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0 # Marisol Parra 2014-05-30 04:01
Agree society can be cruel overall; Elliott Rodger was mentally ill and was bullied in school which played somewhat of a factor. This issue wasn’t so much of gun control in my view; however it was various factors that caused Elliott to react in such a senseless act. The police never saw his as a victim coming from an upper white/Asian family he wasn’t categorized with such a profile to create the mass murder even though there was concrete evidence with his “You Tube Videos.” We can only assume his state of anomie that day was to kill.
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0 # MarieB 2014-05-30 06:02
Although not all mass murders can be attributed to a mental illness, it is something to consider. Mentally ill people are most susceptible to the norms of society. I have cousins with autism, & I notice that they recite things they have watched in movies & hear on tv. Depending on the level of developmental disorder, logic & empathy are skewed, & their environment can either be a positive enforcement of good behavior, or they are left to interpret the mixed messages of the media on their own. It is still an inexcusable atrocity, despite his ethnicity.
As for Rodger's classmate, adding additional teasing & social discomfort and harassment is like "adding gasoline to a smoldering fire". If certain people with even the slightest mental illness or insecurities are acculturized in a way that all they know is violence and insensitivity, it is very possible that they will act the same way they have been treated. So treat others how you would want to be treated.
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0 # Catman 2014-05-30 07:12
In class, we talked about how people feel about the situation or what they think about it but in the end, nothing is going to change. Not necessarily with this situation only, but the overall situation of killings happening at schools. It seems to be a focused place for young disturbed white males. Some girl in class recommend that if we want this to stop happening we would have to change societies view on things. That is impossible. Unfortunately, this event will happen again and again throughout history and the only way people can better this situation is just to be smart how they treat people.
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0 # Catman 2014-05-30 07:19
The difficult part about this event is that it is inevitable. With the society we live in throwing the ideas of how a woman is supposed to look just morphs young male minds. Elliott is a male that took these desires too far but its not like no other male wants the same thing. Mostly all males, wants that hot, blonde, attractive sorority girl during their college career. we could have prevented this terrible event because of this young mans videos, but the option to dissolve the desire for these woman and sexual thrills will lead to a total revamp of our media.
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0 # zzchi 2014-05-30 18:36
In the article, Rodger's ex-classmate said he new he was going to lose it someday. He chose not to stop the bullying and mocking instead of trying to make a difference in his life. What Rodger's did can never be taken back. What is done is done, but could something have been done to prevent him from killing? We will never know the answer to this question.
However, I agree with Sara Heitz. She points out the police did not take his threats seriously, because he was white and middle class. This is an important aspect, because if it was someone belonging to a minority group; different measures would have been taken. However, I cannot fully say what would have been done, but I can use past experiences to rationalize what might be done if a person of a minority group went on a killing spree. By all means, minority groups are not treated the same way as a white middle class groups, so the outcome would be polar opposites when handling each group.
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0 # zzchi 2014-05-30 18:43
What I mean by polar opposites is, the person belonging to the dominant group would be treated very differently than the person who is not a part of the dominant group. Institutional racism plays a factor with what group belongs to what. However, in the case of a killing spree, these two groups would be treated differently because of the class they belong to and the ethnic group in which they belong.
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0 # vices 2014-05-30 21:45
It is ridiculous for the police to believe that they are professionals at handling the situation if they were obviously wrong at analyzing Elliot. Elliot even noted that it was a close call and that it would have all ended if the police opened up his closet. They claim that this incident was unpredictable, but they are clearly mistaken. All the background history of Elliot demonstrates how unstable he really was. Actually, events like these are just one of many to come as I would predict. The things that Elliot stated in his videos clearly reflect the ideologies that exist in society today. His right of dominance over others is a reflection of the portrayals in the media. The US government inflicts revenge killings on their opponents. This is the example that is left for all US citizens to follow, they see that their country uses this method, so they feel that they have the very same right to participate in revenge killings as well. They are simply following the standard.
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0 # vices 2014-05-30 22:03
The problem is not who is participating in these revenge killings, it is who's setting this up as the norm, as was discussed in class. The government has clearly made this the tactic for their involvement in wars. As we all know, the US officially enters a war only when they have first been attacked. Obviously that is not the only reason, and surely not the main reason, but in part it is for the sake of revenge. Although Elliot was conditioned into this way of thinking and believing in his own superiority, I cannot help but think that there is another problem to be addressed. There needs to be a greater awareness of bullying. Bullying is a social problem that can have drastic results. Many of the past shootings were results of bullying, not to mention the availability of firearms. It is possible to believe that if Elliot was not bullied, then he may have never "snapped." We are all exposed to these ideologies, but we choose not to act on them. Bullying may be what's pushing them.
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0 # Dennis Loo 2014-05-30 22:07
The official rationale is revenge, but a) Iraq had done nothing to merit a revenge attack and b) international law prohibits attacks based on revenge. Int'l law allows for self-defense - if one is attacked then one has the right to respond. The US manufactured a phony excuse to attack Iraq with the WMD excuse and never raised the fact that the UN charter's supreme war crime is a war of aggression.
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0 # Jessica Rodriguez 2014-05-31 23:25
i would believe that since the government has been putting their eyes and ears where they don't really belong, that they would catch an online threat to the American people. Even YouTube itself should had put a red flag under this video. I wonder if a black or Hispanic mother would have called the police if they would have taken it seriously or just let it pass like they did with Rodger. Another othing was this quote, "almost the kind of event that's impossible to prevent and almost impossible to predict," that "[t]he right to bear arms is fundamental to the liberty interests of all Americans" and that "existing laws related to firearms and their possession are a sufficient framework by which to ensure the safety of all.”
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0 # deltoro 2014-06-01 03:34
In Elliott Rodger’s case, what more evident that the police department need to make an arrest on Elliott Rodger? This person just got away just because he was common and polite to the police. He did not have the characteristic of a murder? But according to the police what characteristic that anyone needs to have to be a suspect? I make me think that the police just use their training that they received such as like race profile and stereo type to make their decision of arrest. I wonder if Elliot was from the Middle East how the police would react?
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0 # deltoro 2014-06-01 03:35
Some many red flags and no action, what is going on in our system? How cannot predict and prevent these incidents? If they cannot predict and prevent this type of actions, the people on charge don’t have to be in that position “Janet Napolitano”. 9/11 and Santa Barbara are 2 different incidents in which the authority have a lot of information and yet they have done nothing about it.
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0 # deltoro 2014-06-01 03:36
The system that we have is bureaucracy, in others words this system is good to organization but not to react in an emergency. Bureaucracy teaches people how to do things inside a box but not to act or think outside the box
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0 # Brandon Vildosola 2014-06-01 15:21
I'm really glad you decided to write about this, however it was kind of obvious that you would include it here. Anyway, I just want to say that I too was appalled upon discovering that the police who interviewed Elliot Rodgers after viewing the video deemed him ok to not be detained or prosecuted for that matter. He was clearly threatening to kill many people in the video. I understand how it can be childish to act as if one should be an "alpha" male, however him being sexually frustrated was probably exceeded with the many events that take place in Santa Barbara. Firstly I want to add that I personally have not been to that part of Santa Barbara before, so all I hear are stories from friends who live in Isla Vista and such. I hear stories of the vast promiscuity happening anyway. To put it shortly and bluntly (because my vocabulary is humbly limited for my argument here) I have heard that people pretty much have sex a lot here and it's "really easy".
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0 # Brandon Vildosola 2014-06-01 15:26
That being said (in my last comment), if Rodgers is seeing all this happening around him; if everyone is having sex easily (to put it bluntly) and he is not able to do this and on top of that he gets bullied and is an outcast, then the way of life over there makes him feel like he "deserves" to have sex and be popular and stuff like that, I personally am not a fan of that lifestyle, but still am friends with people over there, so it doesn't matter to me that all those people are living fun, party like lives all the time. However, for someone who has never experienced what most have by that age, all that is happening around him and him being far behind would have really frustrated him. It is not simply that he was childish but the way the life is over there shaped his mind into thinking that he SHOULD have everything that they are receiving and it is unfair. That on top of his mental illness obviously is what caused him to commit the atrocity that he did.
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0 # zzchi 2014-06-01 22:22
I agree with you Brandon. I never thought of it the way you have. Thank you for opening my eyes with your thought process. With that being said, the societal pressures Rodger's felt has made a big impact on the way he responded to rejection and being bullied throughout his life. I do not agree with his actions or reasoning at all, but what if we were subjected to cruel punishment his classmates bestowed on him? Would we react the same way? Would we have the same mental illness Rodger had, if any? We do not know how we would react if we were put through the same experience and we do not know that if we went through his experience how our cognition would be affected either.
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0 # Shannon Barkley 2014-06-02 05:41
"They reported not doing anything further because Rodger was calm and polite. Certainly mass murderers are incapable of being calm and polite in front of police officers." This quote really stuck out to me because it shows how people with a serial killer/mass murder mind can work. There is a charming sense about them and hey can charm/manipulat e people to believe what they want. Take Jeffrey Dahmer for instance, one of his victims escaped and when confronted by the police, Dahmer was able t use his charm and have the victim go back home with him, which later resulted in the victims death. On a different note, gun control should not be a large point, he stabbed his first three victims who is to say he wouldn't stab ore. Also he comes from a wealth background and could obtain money for a lot of types of weapons or objects for violent crimes.
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0 # Heng Chang 2014-06-02 06:26
The police officers knew that Rodgers had mental health issues and even urged for him to be put into a mental asylum, but being the son of the co-producer of Hunger Games, it may be likely that money bought him out of the situation. The police officers should have stood firm and as previous comments stated, they should have taken the video seriously. Is it because Rodgers was half-white, so the police let him off the hook? What if today it was an African American men that posted the video, would the police officers pay more attention to the man?
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0 # Aria 2014-06-02 06:46
I had no idea that there was so much information on the killer before he actually committed the crime. I think it is interesting how this seemed "routine" but there was no preventative measures taken. I wonder if now that the action occurred, there will be more preemptive measures used for others who show signs of committing mass murders. I also did not know that there were so many signs before 9/11 occurred that could have prevented it. Imagine what would have happened if we listened to all of the warnings that we have gotten, how different the world would be.
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0 # Viceless 2014-06-02 07:01
Every time we have an incident like this happen in this country the media immediately gets involved and starts trying to find the one reason for why this happened. Much focus has been placed on his mental health as well as how or where he got the the weapons. While these issues do need to be addressed there were multiple things that went wrong and we can't just focus on one issue that will stop this happening. The way we deal with the issue of mental health in this country is atrocious where people are normally drugged up and released until they prove to be a danger to themselves or society but by then it is normally too late. Another issue is the fact that the family called the police and proper precautions were not taken to avoid an incident like this.
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0 # Ch 2782 2014-06-03 02:15
When I heard about the incident of Elliot Roger, I was astonished. Seeing the YouTube video was a sign that he needed help. I could tell that he felt unwanted, sad, and unhappy. Even though, that does not excuse his wrongdoing. I do not think it was because of money and power, it was more because of rejection and loneliness. Even if he had a good car and many different pairs of sunglasses like he mentioned in the video, he was still a miserable child. Instead of people saying he was a mentally ill person, try to find out the cause of why he did it. Maybe being invisible, getting bullied, and getting ignored from girls drove him to this madness.
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0 # Karen Cornejo 2014-06-03 18:57
It has always botheered me how some people get away with arguing they have a mental disorder. I know this is not ALWAYS the case and I am aware several people who might commit crimes might have some form of severe or mild mental health issues but I still feel that is a touchy subject when someone commits murder and the subject of having mental health issues can easily be thrown around.
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0 # Dennis Loo 2014-06-03 19:01
Quoting Karen Cornejo:
It has always bothered me how some people get away with arguing they have a mental disorder.
The fact that Rodger was mentally compromised should not serve as any kind of excuse for his actions. But what does make his mental issues relevant is that he and others like him such as Adam Lanza and James Holmes is that by virtue of their being more unhinged, they are more likely to ACT OUT the logic that they see being purveyed as acceptable by authorities such as Obama.
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0 # draen 2014-06-04 00:15
I agree, and in my opinion, using mental illness as an excuse further stigmatizes mental illness. If people are seeing that these killings were a result of mental illness, they will think that people with similar mental disorders will engage in such atrocities and will not want to help them and will treat them as outcasts. I think society needs to look at the underlying cause of this tragedy and not at mental illness.
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0 # minnie 2014-06-07 21:20
And of course, the main focus that the media publicizes is the focus on Rodger’s mental illness. I strongly believe that a mental illness does not define a person. Therefore, when looking at this issue we cannot solely blame Rodger’s mental illness for his actions. I do agree that Rodger’s mental illness should be taken into account. It cannot be denied or ignored, however, that America’s social values played a key role as well. Rodger’s actions did not just come from thin air. He embodies America’s key societal values.
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0 # mitchell denerson 2014-06-08 05:05
I'm glad you wrote about this and got to read your's as well as everybody's else opinion on this tragedy. When I first heard about it, all i thought was probably another socially awkward white kid who finally snapped. But it was odd to me that most of Elliot's pent up anger was fueled by women. I feel like this tragedy could have very well been avoided. There is the initial police visit at the mercy of his mother. I think that the police really didn't take the threat seriously when they should have, especially if they viewed his videos. It is because of this i agree with your comments about our elites in society kind of letting these mass shootings happen or as you put it, pushing them forward.
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0 # Karla Garcia 2014-06-08 12:30
In society its seen that mean who are the "alpha" male hold a lot of power and are very confident and that's why many people are attracted to them. i feel like in the Rogers case he wanted to feel powerfull and what made him feel like like this was knowing that he had a weapon to kill those who he felt had made him feel bad. as for president Obama he is the same way of thinking he is basically saying i can kill you guys with drones and you guys wont even see it coming. and this gives them what they feel is power and feel like an alpha male.
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0 # Sinnerman 2014-06-08 18:48
Elliot is only the most recent in the growing amount of mass murderers showing themselves to the world, and it is a horrible thing we couldn't stop him with more warning signs than were even truly necessary. Sadly he is just another product of our culture which praise hyper-masculini ty and condemns anything to the contrary. Even then that cultural attitude is an extension of American foreign relations except instead of condemning the weak we exploit them.
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0 # Susan Torres 2014-06-09 04:50
White, middle class men are not supposed to go on a killing spree. We leave that to the minorities and blame it on gangs. We have this ideal view of an individual that we unconsciously coin it to the white middle class male. When someone fitting these categories commits a crime like Rodger the blame immediately goes to mental illness and not to the actual roots of it like mentioned in the article. Although I think most people if asked if they believe Rodger killed due to him being mentally ill they would disagree. I imagine people saying stuff like... He must of been really pushed to the edge in order to do such a thing. Only someone who had been bullied all their school years would eventually break in one way or the other.
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0 # karen cornejo 2014-06-09 06:21
People still seem so surprised that white males or white females get more media attention or media forgiveness. I unfortunately think this will never change.we all try and pretend things in that sense will be equal but I dont think they ever will. Its hard to understand why if everyone is supposed to equal right? What is it that switches this equal rights rule? Is it ourselves who allow it?
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0 # Belinda 2014-06-11 23:32
My opinion on the law enforcement with this case is that it does not surprise me (as cynical as that sounds) on how they handled the situation. I can't help but feel that his race was still an important reason. even though he is bi-racial he looks more physically white. I hate hearing that his mental illness was an important factor as I have learned in criminology that the use of mental illness in determining a criminal sentence is appealed more to the white community as a scape goat for harsher crimes.
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0 # FAVELA001 2014-06-12 03:34
On the topic of the Santa Barbara shooting, this shooting essentially express the utmost nature of men and masculine dominance. Upon watching his manifesto one can simply hear the deep seeded anger and frustration that comes from being a weak individual, both physically and mentally. As Bourdieu explained masculine domination is so anchored in our social practices and our unconscious that we hardly perceive it anymore. America is so rooted in a gun culture that it is almost impossible to see until shootings in school settings occur. In accordance with his writings I would like to say that the only time it truly comes to light is in incidents like this, and the countless other shootings that occur on campuses around America. Since the Santa Barbara shootings there have been a couple more shootings on campuses around school that do nothing more than aim for reaching a sort of dominance over the public. For Elliot Rodger, he wanted to express his dominance primarily over women.
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0 # FAVELA001 2014-06-12 03:38
A lot of people have said it is not Elliot Rodger’s fault he went on a shooting spree. It is completely his fault, a person is defined by the actions they take when faced times of crisis. He came from a very affluent social class not having to work for anything in his life because of his connections to the movie industry. Erwin Goffman in his Presentation of Self in Everday Life expresses the importance of human social interaction. Lack of social interaction opens the door for many mental disorders. Seeing that he came from a household that involved nothing but social interaction, which is pivotal in the movie making process, his actions are inexcusable. Again his actions were an outcry for attention, a call for the recognition of his masculinity (in this case lack of). In his manifesto he clearly states girls do not go for him they go for men who generally express dominance in society.
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